BAUCOM - ENGLISH or GERMAN by Jim Baucom
Any person can post whatever genealogical information that want to at almost all websites. No one checks them so you have to go to source documents yourself to verify all findings. And I have been told by fellow researchers that they have found professional researchers who have made big errors, perhaps to satisfy a client or they were just lazy and said, “what the hell” the names match.
[Editos nite: This happened to our family records in the current generation because a mentally unstable woman posted in genealogy forums that her great grandmother was Lessie Jordan Baucom when that was completely false.]
The LDS website is a great example of misinformation but a wonderful site to get a starting place. And they state that there information is not verified. I had a pretty good idea that my Baucoms were of English extraction before I contacted Banks McLaurin in Dallas, TX about the Baucoms. He had done a lot more for a longer period of time than I had.
We both had traced our line back to Wake, Co., NC to John Baucom and his father Nicholas. We had both found that Nicholas and his wife Mary had John baptized in Baltimore, MD in 1725 at St. Georges Parish, an Anglican Church. We agreed that having the baptism done in an Anglican Church was a big clue to Nicholas being English.
We both had read in The History of Deleware: 1609- 1888, volume 2 by John Thomas Scharf a write up on a Peter Baucom who lived in Delaware and Maryland in the 1600s. He participated in many land transactions and was named sheriff of Kent Co., DE. And I got my hopes up high that he was Nicholas’ father, but Peter’s will named only a daughter and wife. He still could have been his father, having given him property in MD before his death. Or perhaps he was an uncle or maybe no connection at all. By the way, Banks and I were both college trained engineers. Now that does not make us smarter than anyone else but we are trained to not take anything for granted. Always challenge any idea to see if it seems logical and try to prove it for yourself.
One day soon after I found the google website I put in Baucom TN history, just for kicks and out popped:
http://www.tngenweb.org/haywood/goodspeed/b-gdsp.htm
I had read some of his work on another line of my ancestors so I knew of Goodspeed’s Tennessee history work. He had written a short piece about J, F. Baucom of Haywood Co, TN. Here is part of the article:
“J. F. BAUCOM, citizen and farmer of the Tenth District, was born in Maury County, Tenn., August 30, 1826, being one of six children born to Brittain and Elizabeth Baucom. The father was of English origin, born in Rockingham County, N. C., in 1796, and moved to Tennessee in 1814, locating in East Tennessee, but two years later moved to Maury County, and in 1829 to Illinois, where he engaged in farming and died in 1831. The mother was a Miss BARKER, born in Caswell County, N. C., in 1798, and died in 1874.”
It goes on to tell of the family J. F. and his accomplishments in Haywood County. Notice that it stated that Brittain was of English origin. And we know that his father Brittain Sr. and 10 other children were named in the will of John Baucom, Sr who died about 1800. And if you stop to think about it, who, but a person of English origin would name a son Brittain. Could John Sr. have done this to announce to others around him that he was of English origin? I was satisfied that my line of Baucoms were English and probably from the region of Baucombe, England as Banks had speculated.
So I was surprised when one day I returned to the Baucom name at the Genforum website and saw the discussion about whether our line was German or English and the story about the Von Baucoms coming from Germany and one of them being an ancestor of our Nichols. I knew that Nicholas had to be English because of the foregoing information. And John Sr. or his father Nicholas never named any children Otto or Herman, or Heidi or Hilda, nor did they belong to a Lutheran or Roman Catholic Church. Therefore I immediately dismissed the ideal of a German connection.
And then one day I came across some work by a Sandra Vossler on the Genforum Baucom website. She is a true researcher who leaves no stone unturned. Her early work can be seen at:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mdannear/firstfam/baucom.htm
Check it out. So when Sandra started trying to verify the Von Baucom story she found out that it could not be proven. The following is what she sent to me in an email:
Did you know Marietta Cowan is doing an update of Banks McLaurin's book? I don't have her e-mail address listed on this email but you can find her easy enough, she is on the Baucom GenForum all the time. The last time I checked she had no further information on Nicholas either.
I have a copy of the "Upchurch Family of Enlgand, Virginia and North Carolina". On pages 90-92 they have the Von Baucom theory. The only problem is, what little siting they do I can not find. They list two ships that the Baucoms were suppose to have owned and came over here on, the "Faterland" and the "Brigantine" but I can not find where these ships existed. They say Nicholas was only married once, to Sarah, and that John is Sarah's son. Which they would if they have no records for Maryland, as that is where John was born to Nicholas and Mary. But they do not have him anywhere near St. George Parish Maryland. They have him coming from Prusia to Manhattan, Philadelphia (PA), then right to North Carolina. Which I can find no proff of the Manhattan or PA period. They report "unfortunately a large collection of information of the Von Bakum (Baucom) family of East Prussia was lost some years ago."
If it was lost, how did they supposidly come up with it? I find the Jacob Leedertsen Van de Grist family they mention that was suppose to be "in-laws" of the Von Bakum (Baucom) family, but find no mention of a Baucom in that family. They say Susannah Van de Grist married Johan Von Bakum, but all the Van de Grist records I can find does not show Susannah marrying a Von Bakum and some don't show a Susannah as a daughter at all. So I just have a hard time with this theory, not to say it is not true, I just can't come up with any information to back it up at this time.
Well, I got to go check on mom. Hope to hear from you again.
Good luck with your genealogy,
Sandra
And just recently she wrote me a letter:
Edited Letter from Sandra Vossler PO Box 314 Kimball, NB 69145 8-24-09
Dear Jim-
My line is through Nicholas and his second wife, Sarah Lee, so I don’t have a lot on John Baucom Sr.
John Baucom’s father, Nicholas Baucom was not German. That is a story going around that says Nicholas was related to a one Jaochim Eric Mailian Von Baucom, and other Von Baucom “stories” with a story of the Heidelberg Military Accadamy in 1705. I wrote to the University at Heidelberg, Heidelberg, Germany twice. According to a reply from Mr. I.V. Hunerlach, Archeiamtfrau, “There is not and never has been a Heidelberg Military Academy. The registry of the University of Heidelberg for the period between 1662 and 1704 isn’t saved. The name von Baucom couldn’t be found in the printed registrar of the University of Heidelberg. There is a story of the Baucoms coming over here from Germany on the ships called the “Brigantine” and “Fatherland.” No one in Germany or in the USA can find either one of those ships. So- to me anyway, this German and von Baucom story is just that- a story with no foundation to it.
My connection to the Baucoms:
Sandra (me), Albert Caves my grandfather, his parents Maggie Sarah Lee Baucom and John Wright Caves, Moses Baucom Jr., Moses Baucom, Sr., Nicholas Baucom Jr. and Nicholas Baucom Sr. and second wife Sarah Lee.
Grandma Maggie helped raise me. She said the Baucoms are Irish and English and mostly English up to Moses Sr., then from Moses Sr. add in Cherokee. She said her daddy only mentioned the Irish a couple of times- mostly he just said English and Cherokee.
Sandra Vossler
Note: her letter goes onto list the children of Nicholas Sr. and Sarah. And there is some discussion about Nicholas Sr. and Mary his first wife who were the parents of John, my line.
Finally, I have had my DNA tested and match up almost perfectly with descendants of two different sons of Josiah Baucom, a brother to my Cader Baucom. Another one of their brothers, was John Jr. He supposedly had a son named Isham. A descendant of Isham had his DNA tested and was no match to me or Josiah’s descendants. That means that Isham was a son of a different John Baucom or that an adoption or hanky panky took place. I am looking for other Baucom descendants that would get their DNA tested. So far there are at least 3 different Baucom lines that have been identified, maybe at least one of them go back to the New England Balcoms, of which there were many.
Comments please!
Jim Baucom
7379 S. Eudora Ct.
Centennial, CO 80122
Descendants of Nicholas Baucom, Sr. [256]
For my cousins who are not familiar with our early Baucoms
1 Nicholas Baucom, Sr. [256] b: Abt. 1700
.. +Mary ???, [257]
.... 2 John Baucom, Sr., [128] b: Jul 01, 1725 in Baltimore, MD
........ +Rachel Barker, [129] b: Abt. 1735
3 Cader Baucom (my line)
3 Josiah Baucom
3 John Baucom, Jr.
*2nd Wife of Nicholas Baucom, Sr. [256]:
.. +Sarah Lee
.... 2 Thomas Baucom b: Bef. 1743 all children born in NC
........ +Keziah Hardcastle
.... 2 Nicholas Baucom, Jr. b: Abt. 1748
........ +Dollie ???
.... 2 Jacob Baucom
.... 2 Moses Baucom
.... 2 Aaron Baucom
.... 2 Susannah Baucom
.... 2 Ann Baucom
.... 2 Ester Baucom
We both had read in The History of Deleware: 1609- 1888, volume 2 by John Thomas Scharf a write up on a Peter Baucom who lived in Delaware and Maryland in the 1600s. He participated in many land transactions and was named sheriff of Kent Co., DE. And I got my hopes up high that he was Nicholas’ father, but Peter’s will named only a daughter and wife. He still could have been his father, having given him property in MD before his death. Or perhaps he was an uncle or maybe no connection at all. By the way, Banks and I were both college trained engineers. Now that does not make us smarter than anyone else but we are trained to not take anything for granted. Always challenge any idea to see if it seems logical and try to prove it for yourself.
One day soon after I found the google website I put in Baucom TN history, just for kicks and out popped:
http://www.tngenweb.org/haywood/goodspeed/b-gdsp.htm
I had read some of his work on another line of my ancestors so I knew of Goodspeed’s Tennessee history work. He had written a short piece about J, F. Baucom of Haywood Co, TN. Here is part of the article:
“J. F. BAUCOM, citizen and farmer of the Tenth District, was born in Maury County, Tenn., August 30, 1826, being one of six children born to Brittain and Elizabeth Baucom. The father was of English origin, born in Rockingham County, N. C., in 1796, and moved to Tennessee in 1814, locating in East Tennessee, but two years later moved to Maury County, and in 1829 to Illinois, where he engaged in farming and died in 1831. The mother was a Miss BARKER, born in Caswell County, N. C., in 1798, and died in 1874.”
It goes on to tell of the family J. F. and his accomplishments in Haywood County. Notice that it stated that Brittain was of English origin. And we know that his father Brittain Sr. and 10 other children were named in the will of John Baucom, Sr who died about 1800. And if you stop to think about it, who, but a person of English origin would name a son Brittain. Could John Sr. have done this to announce to others around him that he was of English origin? I was satisfied that my line of Baucoms were English and probably from the region of Baucombe, England as Banks had speculated.
So I was surprised when one day I returned to the Baucom name at the Genforum website and saw the discussion about whether our line was German or English and the story about the Von Baucoms coming from Germany and one of them being an ancestor of our Nichols. I knew that Nicholas had to be English because of the foregoing information. And John Sr. or his father Nicholas never named any children Otto or Herman, or Heidi or Hilda, nor did they belong to a Lutheran or Roman Catholic Church. Therefore I immediately dismissed the ideal of a German connection.
And then one day I came across some work by a Sandra Vossler on the Genforum Baucom website. She is a true researcher who leaves no stone unturned. Her early work can be seen at:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mdannear/firstfam/baucom.htm
Check it out. So when Sandra started trying to verify the Von Baucom story she found out that it could not be proven. The following is what she sent to me in an email:
Did you know Marietta Cowan is doing an update of Banks McLaurin's book? I don't have her e-mail address listed on this email but you can find her easy enough, she is on the Baucom GenForum all the time. The last time I checked she had no further information on Nicholas either.
I have a copy of the "Upchurch Family of Enlgand, Virginia and North Carolina". On pages 90-92 they have the Von Baucom theory. The only problem is, what little siting they do I can not find. They list two ships that the Baucoms were suppose to have owned and came over here on, the "Faterland" and the "Brigantine" but I can not find where these ships existed. They say Nicholas was only married once, to Sarah, and that John is Sarah's son. Which they would if they have no records for Maryland, as that is where John was born to Nicholas and Mary. But they do not have him anywhere near St. George Parish Maryland. They have him coming from Prusia to Manhattan, Philadelphia (PA), then right to North Carolina. Which I can find no proff of the Manhattan or PA period. They report "unfortunately a large collection of information of the Von Bakum (Baucom) family of East Prussia was lost some years ago."
If it was lost, how did they supposidly come up with it? I find the Jacob Leedertsen Van de Grist family they mention that was suppose to be "in-laws" of the Von Bakum (Baucom) family, but find no mention of a Baucom in that family. They say Susannah Van de Grist married Johan Von Bakum, but all the Van de Grist records I can find does not show Susannah marrying a Von Bakum and some don't show a Susannah as a daughter at all. So I just have a hard time with this theory, not to say it is not true, I just can't come up with any information to back it up at this time.
Well, I got to go check on mom. Hope to hear from you again.
Good luck with your genealogy,
Sandra
And just recently she wrote me a letter:
Edited Letter from Sandra Vossler PO Box 314 Kimball, NB 69145 8-24-09
Dear Jim-
My line is through Nicholas and his second wife, Sarah Lee, so I don’t have a lot on John Baucom Sr.
John Baucom’s father, Nicholas Baucom was not German. That is a story going around that says Nicholas was related to a one Jaochim Eric Mailian Von Baucom, and other Von Baucom “stories” with a story of the Heidelberg Military Accadamy in 1705. I wrote to the University at Heidelberg, Heidelberg, Germany twice. According to a reply from Mr. I.V. Hunerlach, Archeiamtfrau, “There is not and never has been a Heidelberg Military Academy. The registry of the University of Heidelberg for the period between 1662 and 1704 isn’t saved. The name von Baucom couldn’t be found in the printed registrar of the University of Heidelberg. There is a story of the Baucoms coming over here from Germany on the ships called the “Brigantine” and “Fatherland.” No one in Germany or in the USA can find either one of those ships. So- to me anyway, this German and von Baucom story is just that- a story with no foundation to it.
My connection to the Baucoms:
Sandra (me), Albert Caves my grandfather, his parents Maggie Sarah Lee Baucom and John Wright Caves, Moses Baucom Jr., Moses Baucom, Sr., Nicholas Baucom Jr. and Nicholas Baucom Sr. and second wife Sarah Lee.
Grandma Maggie helped raise me. She said the Baucoms are Irish and English and mostly English up to Moses Sr., then from Moses Sr. add in Cherokee. She said her daddy only mentioned the Irish a couple of times- mostly he just said English and Cherokee.
Sandra Vossler
Note: her letter goes onto list the children of Nicholas Sr. and Sarah. And there is some discussion about Nicholas Sr. and Mary his first wife who were the parents of John, my line.
Finally, I have had my DNA tested and match up almost perfectly with descendants of two different sons of Josiah Baucom, a brother to my Cader Baucom. Another one of their brothers, was John Jr. He supposedly had a son named Isham. A descendant of Isham had his DNA tested and was no match to me or Josiah’s descendants. That means that Isham was a son of a different John Baucom or that an adoption or hanky panky took place. I am looking for other Baucom descendants that would get their DNA tested. So far there are at least 3 different Baucom lines that have been identified, maybe at least one of them go back to the New England Balcoms, of which there were many.
Comments please!
Jim Baucom
7379 S. Eudora Ct.
Centennial, CO 80122
Descendants of Nicholas Baucom, Sr. [256]
For my cousins who are not familiar with our early Baucoms
1 Nicholas Baucom, Sr. [256] b: Abt. 1700
.. +Mary ???, [257]
.... 2 John Baucom, Sr., [128] b: Jul 01, 1725 in Baltimore, MD
........ +Rachel Barker, [129] b: Abt. 1735
3 Cader Baucom (my line)
3 Josiah Baucom
3 John Baucom, Jr.
*2nd Wife of Nicholas Baucom, Sr. [256]:
.. +Sarah Lee
.... 2 Thomas Baucom b: Bef. 1743 all children born in NC
........ +Keziah Hardcastle
.... 2 Nicholas Baucom, Jr. b: Abt. 1748
........ +Dollie ???
.... 2 Jacob Baucom
.... 2 Moses Baucom
.... 2 Aaron Baucom
.... 2 Susannah Baucom
.... 2 Ann Baucom
.... 2 Ester Baucom
Jim, I am your distant Baucom cousin through Cader's brother Lewis. I am in North Carolina not very far from Anson County where my ancestors settled in the early 1800s. I would like to hear from you. My address is skb1107@carolina.rr.com.
ReplyDeleteSteve Baucom
Hi Jim, I have just began doing a little research myself and this is what I know and where it stops! My line descends from Ann Baucomb, born to Nicolas (Born 1680 in Prince Georges Co. MD, & Sarah (last name unknown) around 1705 in MD. I notice the spelling is not the same & my information could be incorrect but Im trying to connect the dots myself. My great uncle Charles Taylor was able to trace some part of my family, The Watsons to Scotland the the early 1600s then to Virginia. Im not sure if this Baucom is the same line as mine but if you can help or tell me something I dont know I would appreciate it! Ann Baucomb, as far as my family history goes Married James Watson Jr, I am the great granddaughter Of (emma)Maye Simpson Taylor, whose parents were Emma Watson & Oscar Simpson. I traced back from Taylor, to Simpson, to Watson,to Baucomb and this is where I get stuck. We could be very distant cousins, or I have some incorrect information! my email is ashleydhoward01@gmail.com Would love to find out what you know. This is very interesting to me. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteI forgot to add I am also located inn North Carolina. Most of my famiy settled around Wilson NC, Lucama NC which back then I think they called Wilson Springs Township or something like that. Some I find settled around Johnston County NC. I have found further information at one time dating back to England but now I cant locate anything! On my mothers side they were Bogues, and I know they came from England and settled in Nahunta, Wayne County NC. This side of the family Im having a very hard time with! My grandfather Verlon Taylor looked to be very much Cherokee but he never told me anything of his ancestors. I know that his Uncle Volis Simpson, a decendent of the "Baucombs" as was my grandfather, lived in Lucama NC and died a couple of years ago at the age of 94, and he still has a sister living in the same are named Elenor Simpson she is 90. No one seems to know much of anything though so any information, even if not connected would be appreciated! Thanks.
ReplyDeletegreat, great, great
ReplyDeleteNichalus Baucom (England) married Mary Sarah Lee
great, great
Reuben Richard Baucum (KY,MS) married Mary Elizabeth Watson(AL)
great
Frank Oliver Baucum (MS)married Lillie Mae Jarrell(MS)
grandfather
Archie Baucum (MS) married Nadia "Nobia" Spence(MS)
Our family also thought Baucum was German ancestry DNA links to "Picts" who built Baucomie castle in Scotland (Prussia and German Empire migration link still possible)